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Historic Preservation Commission

Mon, Mar 22, 2021 · 6:00 PMFinal

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Meeting name
Historic Preservation Commission
Agenda status
Final
Meeting date/time
Mon, Mar 22, 2021 · 6:00 PM
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Final
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Agenda 65

    • Commissioner Don Simmons inquired; has a situation happened like this before, where no action was taken on an item and documentation expired; i.e. EIR ?
    • Chair Patrick Boyd, responded it seems backward?
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez, informed that the internal demolition is to expose the structural components of the building and that staff has informed and will be monitoring progress to ensure if features of historic value are exposed that they will be preserved.
    • Commissioner Paul Halajian inquired, what is the status of the developer? Is there still an agreement with a developer in Armenian Town?
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez responded, that there was an agreement with the successor agency the RDA, but it is unclear if there was an expiration date with the initial plans which were incomplete. This update could be apart of the tray memo.
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez responded, staff with consultation of the CAO will provide the factual information of what is different now from the initial application.
    • Senior Deputy Attorney Rina Gonzales responded, staff would need to look into that and provide an update.
    • Commissioner Don Simmons responded, the HPC has done everything according to the process, it was sent to Council. Additionally, where does the designation stand according to the Secretary of Interior standards?
    • Senior Deputy Attorney Rina Gonzales responded, would a tray memo that provides an explanation of what happens after it goes to HPC? The FMC lays out the requirements for designation.
    • Commissioner Paul Halajian, responded what do they plan on doing with the property?
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      Senior Deputy Attorney Rina Gonzales responded, that she was aware of projects outside of historic which have expired and CAO advises on a project-by-project basis if the documents need to be updated. She would like to prepare a tray memo outlining the requirements for designation, what has occurred in the past and what would need to be done to finalize. It would provide a written response from the CAO and an education tool on the FMC.
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      Commissioner Don Simmons responded, he disagreed with that process because it is already the responsibility of the commissioners to understand what is included and required within the FMC. He believes it will delay the matter even further and would prefer actions in term of what is the Councils responsibility once an item is sent to them and how long can they sit on an item before it expires. If CEQA is the issue, he notes that CEQA outlines when a project is viable with the information at the time when the project is initially presented and would like CAO to look into what CEQA says. Additionally, he notes that the City is opening itself up to legal issues if it is continuously delayed.
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      Commissioner Don Simmons responded, he disagreed with that process because it is already the responsibility of the commissioners to understand what is included and required within the FMC. He believes it will delay the matter even further and would prefer actions in term of what is the Councils responsibility once an item is sent to them and how long can they sit on an item before it expires. If CEQA is the issue, he notes that CEQA outlines when a project is viable with the information at the time when the project is initially presented and would like CAO to look into what CEQA says. Additionally, he notes that the City is opening itself up to legal issues if it is continuously delayed.
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      Senior Deputy Attorney Rina Gonzales responded with a preface that this item predates her position with the CAO, there is need for the CAO and Staff to investigate the details of this item. The EIR is in reference to Armenian Town Project not the designation. The Commissions responsibility is to review designations, CAO would need to review and prepare a tray memo explaining the process, past requirements, explanation of steps that did take place and that would need to be refreshed or renewed.
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      Commissioner Don Simmons inquired, could there be clarification on the statues about the EIR because at the time the project was proposed the EIR was approved and came through the HPC. What is the precedent set for a requirement of the new or refreshed EIR? What would preclude having another EIR? Does the HPC need to take action? What's the legal obligation to the Council to an item that was presented to them and that never made it to a consent agenda and they never made a response back to the commission? Doesn't the Commission have some responsibility to see that there is follow through by the Council? Legally what can the Council do here? It seems like a violation of the Commissions responsibility if the Council does not take responsibility?
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      Assistant Director Mike Sanchez responded, that he believed at the initial application process included an EIR that was within compliance standards. However, at this time it may require an entire new EIR or a supplemental EIR approach. Consultation with the City Attorney's Office would be necessary if the EIR was found out of compliance. If council wished to hear the matter and take action on the item as it stands presently, there would be risk to challenge the environmental document.
    • Chair Patrick Boyd inquired, when this application was initially proposed was it in compliance with the EIR at that time?
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      Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez, informed the Commission that the initial recommendations that were provided to the former Mayor and City Administration are still under review and waiting on a response regarding next steps. Planning staff had a meeting to discuss this item. Staff identified that the EIR may be outdated; 2010, which may require an update and would delay any action in the future to account for more recent CEQA legislation. An update will be provided to the Commission once received.
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      Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez, we don't have an idea yet but the contractors have informed staff that they have worked with historic properties in the past and want to preserve what is there. The permit was issued without consultation and staff is monitoring it closely to ensure that the permit they were issued is being adhered to, which is interior only. The contractor or developer can do a presentation to explain their current project as well as future applications next meeting.
    • Chair Patrick Boyd, responded without knowing an overall plan it is difficult to make decisions.
    • Historic Preservation Specialist, Alicia Gonzales, responded, in reference to the Calaveras property action is currently being taken to have the historic windows restored to the property.
    • Chair Patrick Boyd, responded the purview of the HPC is usually on the exterior, what the public can see and what the structure provides to the public, not to say there's no value internally but if there are conditions and renovations structural it could affect the external.
    • Commissioner Paul Halajian, inquired is it not the case that part of what's existing internally within the Theater; a lobby, could have been part of an external feature?
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      Historic Preservation Specialist Alicia Gonzales, informed that the first floor audience seating area and stage had been demoed. The lobby, second floor and third floor were being initiated. The lobby did uncover some interesting painted features underneath the first layer of wall covering and were informed not to go through those features until they were reviewed. Contractors will be sending over initial photos from demolition.
    • Chair Patrick Boyd, inquired should there be some lines not to cross since this project has been started?
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez responded Historic Preservation Specialist Alicia Gonzales will go out to the site and document the progress and if she views the work is outside the limits of the permit then the City can issue a stop work permit if necessary.
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      Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez responded, yes and that demolition should be minimal. The Commission does focus on the facade, the demolition permit that was issued was for interior only and it is possible the permit was issued without Historic Preservation consultation because it was interior only. However, all properties that are on the register are now automatically flagged in our system and that element was not in the system prior. The contractors can do a presentation at our next meeting.
    • Chair Patrick Boyd, responded, that with a Historic theater the entrance and lobby often are apart of the character of the exterior and street-scape.
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez, responded the city would investigate right away and put a stop work order on it and salvage what may have been lost.
    • Commissioner Don Simmons, inquired, is there a number of permits that came through planning that were not flagged as historic so it may have actually penalized the property owner by using building standards only and not historic standards?
    • Chair Patrick Boyd, inquired, if we have a system to catch these things and a permit is issued for a property that is not flagged, what recourse do we have ?
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez responded, we will have to query the system.
    • James Sponsler commented, that going through the FAASTER system they are not flagged at all, an example would be 315 N Calaveras, the street facing arched windows were removed and dual paned windows with stucco were put in.
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    • There being no further business to bring before the Commission the meeting adjourned at 6:57PM.
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      James Sponsler commented, member of the County Historic Landmark and Records Commission, they have been tracking the Armenia Town project as well. They have been in contact with Mr. Tom Richards of Pen Star Group the developer whose looking to update plans which were initially reviewed in 2008 and then 2011. Mr. Richards is hoping to remove and relocate the tiny homes and the Vartanian Home (rescue mission), however they are City owned.
    • April 26, 2021
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      Stuart Chandler commented, the Chandler family prepared a video to bolster information. Would the Commission like the family to also provide something in a written format? Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez, responded that if the HPC could get something in writing it would only help with providing additional information. Stuart Chandler commented, yes he could provide something. Referencing previous inquiry to Assembly person Chandlers vote he felt he could not provide any further documentation. Commissioner Don Simmons, responded he would be interested in Assembly person Chandlers rationale? Was his vote in 1911 apart of a belief or something, in light of his other civic engagement it stands out as being contrary to some of his actions and beliefs. If there are any records or family documentation that explains the decision or votes. There are reissued monuments in South Carolina, along with monument there are explanations with "... this person voted or did something this way,but we view it now,or know it now..." because if we are telling the whole story we need to include the whole story and know the history. Stuart Chandler responded, the family has looked but has not been able to find anything. Clarifying, in reality the 1911 No vote was No to putting it on the general ballot with a specific proposition with some obvious racial restrictions, so currently there is no insight. At that time he also voted for all school children to be vaccinated, which at the time was fairly progressive but was in the minority. In 1912 he may have ran on the Progressive platform.
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      Historic Preservation Specialist Alicia Gonzales, informed that a permit for internal demolition was issued without consultation or approval from Historic Preservation. To date one site visit was conducted by staff and a City engineer after the permit had been issued. The site visit documented the progress of the project and gathered information taken from the contractor prior to their demolition. Tentatively, the applicant plans to apply for additional permits for the exterior of the building and were informed this would necessitate a HPC review.
    • Assistant Director, Mike Sanchez, reported to the Commission that City staff has received draft drawings from FAX and it is under review to ensure the Commissions recommendations and amendments are included. This item will be placed back on the agenda at the regularly scheduled meeting of April 26, 2021 to provide the Commission with a status update.
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    • At 6:04PM the meeting was called to Order by Chair Patrick Boyd. Present on behalf of the Commission were: Paul Halajian, Kristina Roper, Don Simmons and Robin Goldbeck. Assistant Director of Planning and Development, Mike Sanchez, Senior Deputy City Attorney Rina Gonzales and Historic Preservation Specialist, Alicia Gonzales.
    • Meeting & participation information
      PUBLIC ADVISORY: THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND CITY HALL WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC While Emergency Order No. 2020-12 is in effect, City of Fresno public meetings will be conducted electronically and telephonically only. No one will be physically present in the Chambers, and the Chambers will not be open to the public. City Hall remains closed to the public. PUBLIC COMMENT: The following options are available for members of the public who want to address Historic Preservation Commission: 1. Join online webinar on Zoom. a) If you would like to speak on an agenda item, you can access the meeting remotely from a PC, Mac, iPad, iPhone, or Android device: Please use this URL https://zoom.us/j/99046775082 b) Those addressing Commission must state their name for the record. OR 2. Join by phone 1-669-900-9128 Webinar ID: 990 4677 5082 a) Those addressing the Commission must state their name and address for the record. 3. 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The City of Fresno thanks you in advance for taking all precautions to prevent spreading COVID-19 virus. ASESORIA PÚBLICA: LAS CÁMARAS DEL CONSEJO MUNICIPAL Y LA ALCALDÍA NO ESTRAN ABIERTOS AL PÚBLICO. Mientras que la Orden de Emergencia No. 2020-12 esté en efecto, las reuniones públicas de la Ciudad de Fresno se llevarán a cabo solo por vía electrónica y por teléfono. Nadie estará físicamente presente en las Cámaras, y las Cámaras no estarán abiertas al público. La Alcaldía permanecerá cerrada al público. COMENTARIO PÚBLICO: Las siguientes opciones están disponibles para los miembros del público que desean dirigirse al Consejo de la Ciudad: 1. Únase en línea por Zoom. a) Si desea hablar sobre un tema del agenda, puede acceder a la reunión de forma remota desde una PC, Mac, iPad, iPhone o dispositivo Android: utilice este enlace https://zoom.us/j/99046775082 b) Aquellos que se dirijan al Consejo deben indicar su nombre para el registro. OR 2. Únase por Teléfono. 1-669-900-9128 Webinar ID: 990 4677 5082 a) Aquellos que se dirijan al Historic Preservation Commission deben indicar su nombre para el registro. 3) Correo electrónico: mike.sanchez@fresno.gov y alicia.gonzales@fresno.gov a) Los residentes también pueden enviar comentarios por correo electrónico para ser leídos durante la reunión. Incluya la fecha del agenda y el número de artículo sobre el que desea hablar en la línea de asunto de su correo electrónico. b) Los correos electrónicos tendrán un máximo de 450 palabras. c) Todos los comentarios recibidos se distribuirán al Historic Preservation Commission antes y durante la reunión y formarán parte del registro oficial. Todos los participantes estarán en silencio hasta que se les elija, en cuyo punto se desactivara el silenciador. Para evitar que los participantes tengan su video encendido, eliminaremos la opción de mostrar su video. 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    • I.CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
    • II.APPROVE MEETING MINUTES
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      On motion of Commissioner Roper, seconded by Commissioner Goldbeck, that the minutes for February 22,2021 be approved. The motion carried by the following vote:
      VoteAye 5Absent 2
      APPROVED
    • III.
      APPROVE AGENDAOn motion of Commissioner Simmons, seconded by Commissioner Halajian, the meeting agenda was approved. The motion carried by the following vote:
      VoteAye 5Absent 2
      APPROVED
    • IV.CONSENT CALENDAR
    • V.CONTINUED MATTERS
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    • VI.COMMISSION ITEMS
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    • VII.CHAIRPERSON'S REPORT
    • VIII.UNSCHEDULED ITEMS
    • A.Members of the Commission
    • B.Staff
    • C.General Public
    • IX.NEXT MEETING
    • X.ADJOURNMENT
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